A while ago, Trevor Loudon, ACT Vice President and member of the Zenith Applied Philosophy cult, said the following on his blog in response to a question from possible Green party future co-leader Russel Norman.
Russel; Were you aware of the association between ZAP and the fascist Nationalist Workers Party?
Trevor; No Russel and neither are you. There never have been any such links. I am willing to bet my membership and position in ACT against your membership and position in the Green Party, that you have no credible proof of such allegations.
At the time, I mentioned a newspaper article that proved the links between ZAP and Kerry Bolton's fascist party. Trevor continued to deny all links. Unfortunately, I couldn't scan and post the article as it was packed somewhere in a box. I've got it again now though, and while I don't have a scanner, I thought I would reproduce it in full below. The article is from the New Zealand Herald, 20/06/1983 (page 2).
NAZIS, ZAP AND TRIM OUT
One of New Zealand's small but active ultra-conservative groups has expelled "nazi elements" and other extreme right-wingers in an attempt to improve it's image.
The group, New Force, has also expelled sympathisers of two Christchurch-based organisations, Zenith Applied Philosophy and Trim, the Tax Reduction Integrity Movement.
The national director of New Force, Mr B.W. Zandbergen, said last night that youths from the New Zealand Nazi Party had attached themselves to New Force, giving his organisation a bad name.
As well, sympathisers of Zap and Trim had threatened to defect to the proposed new party of Wellington businessman Mr Robert Jones, unless New Force swung behind their free-market, laissez faire philosophies.
Wrong Idea
"These people (Zap, Trim and the Nazi youths) have got the wrong idea of what New Force was about." Mr Zandbergen said in Wellington.
"It was useless to argue with them, so we have cut our ties."
Mr Zandbergen said New Force in future would be known as the Nationalist Workers Party, in order to identify it more readily as a party devoted to being an alternative to "world communism and world capitalism".
New Force, one of about a dozen groups active on the far right wing of New Zealand politics, was founded about 1980 after earlier unsuccessful attempts to form a local version of the British National Front.
One of its founders, Mr Kerry Bolton, of Wellington, who is now chairman of the New Force directorate, in December 1980 formed a New Zealand branch of what is known as the Church of Odin.
A paper published by Mr Bolton, seeking members of the Church of Odin, was strongly anti-semitic, preached white supremacy and had the catchline "Odinism: The white man's religion".
Mr Zandbergen stood for Parliament for New Force in Western Hutt in 1981, on a platform which included repatriation of Pacific Islanders. He got 30 votes.
Last night, Mr Zandbergen said he hoped the expulsion of extreme right elements would help to make New Force more respectable.
"When Bob Jones first announced the possibility of establishing a free enterprise party, this faction threatened to break with New Force, in favour of Jones, unless New Force made a committment to the free-market philosophy." he said.
Bob Jones
"These elements have been identified and expelled. Bob Jones is welcome to them."
Mr Jones was astonished last night when told of the comments made by Mr Zandbergen.
"I have had letters from these people (Trim and Zap) from time to time, but I don't know anything much about them." he said.
Mr Jones said his proposed party would not be right-wing. It would follow the principles on which the National Party was founded. He considered himself a liberal and did not support a laissaz faire system.
"They ought to read what I have been saying about politics before they bring me into it."
So, Trev, there's the link proven. You are part of a cult that was too nutty for even Kerry Bolton, New Zealand's longest running Nazi nutter!
I eagerly await news of your resignation.
May 10, 2006 at 1:20 pm
Ha! Ok so a group expelled members of ZAP who were calling for Laissez Faire policies and another group of individuals for also being members of the NZ Nazi Party. I hate to tell you this Asher but the Labour Party once had communists in it at the same time as Roger Douglas, Richard Prebble and Mike Moore, does that make them communists?
May 10, 2006 at 1:25 pm
death knell – I didn’t state here that Trevor Loudon is/was a Nazi – to the best of my knowledge, he isn’t.
What I stated was that Trev promised he’d quit act if I could prove his cult ever has links to Kerry Bolton’s fascist party, and I have.
As for you calling it “a group”, it wasn’t just any group. New Force became the Nationalist Workers Party, and both are the directed ancestors of the Fascist Union (which included Kerry Bolton, Kyle Chapman and Colin King-Ansell, the ex-founder of the NZ Nazi Party) and the New Zealand National Front. IE – It was an important part in NZ fascist lineage.
May 10, 2006 at 1:50 pm
Yes, Asher, and the Labour Party used to sing the internationale at Party Conferences, they’ve changed as a party, do people regard them as communist today? Quite simply, they became more mainstream, even embracing privatisation at several points in their history.
Parties and groups change Asher, the ZAP are a Laissez Faire organistaion, hence their flirtation with Bob Jones’ NZ Party.
I would hardly call a couple of rogue members in an organisation a “link”
May 10, 2006 at 2:19 pm
death knell – ZAP are a cult that split from Scientology. They believe their leader is the centre of the universe. Their members used to be seen daily in Cathedral square doing punishments for breaking the cults rules. Punishments like ranting about the evils of communism – in only their underwear.
I wouldn’t call that a respectable organisation, would you?
May 10, 2006 at 2:40 pm
And on top of that, one of the things that defines a cult is the amount of power vested in the “leader”. As such, I doubt very much that it was “a couple of rogue members” unknown to the ZAP leadership.
May 10, 2006 at 3:00 pm
“They believe their leader is the centre of the universe”
Sounds very much like NZ First or the Labour Party.
Who are you Asher to decide what is and what is not a respectable organisation? How incredibly arrogant.
May 10, 2006 at 7:31 pm
What I stated was that Trev promised he’d quit act if I could prove his cult ever has links to Kerry Bolton’s fascist party, and I have.
Have you? Don’t really care.
Do observe, however, that “willing to bet” is not a promise.
May 10, 2006 at 7:35 pm
Of course not. Trevor could break his promise. Of course, that’s assuming that Asher has her facts right. But its kind of hard to refute the above evidence if the above is literally transcribed from a Herald article. I wouldn’t mind seeing Trevor’s rebuttal of this.
May 10, 2006 at 8:10 pm
Asher isn’t a her, Aaron
May 10, 2006 at 10:23 pm
Beg your pardon!
May 11, 2006 at 12:07 am
There’s a wealth of infomration on ZAP in Massey sociologist Paul Spoonley’s book ‘The Politics of Nostalgia’, which is a study of fascism and racism in New Zealand. ZAP were involved not only in the Nationalist Workers Party/New Force, but in a number of unsavoury campaigns – movements to support the apartheid regime in South Africa, for instance. (Spoonely cites the case of an employee of a ZAP-owned business who took legal action against his bosses because he claims he was treated unfairly after he refused to sign a telegram welcoming the Springboks to New Zealand and backing the government that sent them).
Spoonely also documents ZAP’s linkage to anti-semitic discourse – he mentions the group’s claim to have distributed tens of thousands of copies of ‘None Dare Call It Conspiracy’, a book by John Birch society theorist (I use that word loosely) Gary Allen which recycles a number of notoriously anti-Semitic myths about a cabal of international bankers with names ending in ’stein’ controlling the world.
Anyone who vists Loudon’s blog can recognise that the discourse there is heavily indebted to anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. What has changed is not the paranoid notion of a global conspiracy against Western civilisation, but the agents of the conspiracy. Loudon is paranoid about commies and Muslims, rather than the commies and Jews who were the stock in trade of groups like the Nationalist Workers Party.
May 11, 2006 at 2:06 pm
How very curious. Since pointing this out to Mr Loudon, he’s posted a number of times on other issues, but not on this. I wonder why?
May 11, 2006 at 2:08 pm
Maybe he’s trying to gather info on me to make a post to try to discredit me
May 11, 2006 at 2:12 pm
Isn’t Onanism the white man’s religion, rather than Odinism?
May 11, 2006 at 2:26 pm
I stumbled across a thesis the other day about far-right political parties in New Zealand, which included sections on ZAP, TRIM, and the various neo-Nazi groups stumbling around in the early 80’s. It also had profiles of some of the leaders of the various groups. I’ll dig it up again tomorrow and forward you the reference – should make a useful addition to the argument.
May 11, 2006 at 2:29 pm
(Though actually, I suspect I’m talking about the same work as Scott, or at least a precursor to it…)
May 11, 2006 at 2:52 pm
Yeah, I’d be interested. Spoonely’s work seems to be the most definitive I’ve seen, but I’m always keen to see more.
May 11, 2006 at 8:36 pm
Congratulations on the take down.
May 11, 2006 at 8:39 pm
Oh, one other thing Asher, the way I’m reading that story it looks like Bolton would have been associated indirectly with Loudon. If that’s the case then Trev is bound by a promise to give 5000 dollars to my favourite charity.
May 12, 2006 at 12:10 pm
wow asher the archeologist digs up the past from his days sittin in the playpen with his nappies full of baby shit
May 12, 2006 at 2:47 pm
Asher: having just grabbed a copy of Spoonley’s book, it seems it was his PhD thesis I was looking at. Oh well…
May 13, 2006 at 5:57 pm
Can all the info people collect on ZAP go into a Wikipedia article?
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zenith_Applied_Philosophy
May 13, 2006 at 8:16 pm
How odd that despite two mentions of this article on Loudon’s blog he hasn’t decided to respond or reject the allegations of neo-nazi links in the early 1980s.
May 13, 2006 at 10:26 pm
He already has rejected the allegations.
This is nonsense. All you have is an article saying that members of ZAP were expelled from this party. So what? Bill English is Catholic, but that doesn’t mean that the Catholic church has links to the National Party. There’s no case to answer here.
There’s also a lot of innuendo and ignorant speculation about ZAP going on. I myself am none the wiser about what ZAP is, but until you can come up with some official original source literature, people, you are talking bullshit. Show me the goods or STFU.
May 15, 2006 at 12:39 am
Anyone wo reads Spoonely’s account of the far right scene in Chch in the 70s and 80s and the rise of ZAP and its front group TRIM can see that the organisations were completely centralised, based as they were on the authority of the bizarre John Dahlhorf, who was known to his disciples as John Ultimate. Spoonely quotes several primary documents, including a letter from Ultimate to his folowers, which make his absolute authority clear (in the letter he talks of reading group members’ minds in his dreams).
The notion that a significant number of members of a tiny, close-knit, centralised froup like ZAP were involved in New Force/the NWP without the say-so of Ultimate is not credible. Analogies with the Catholic Church, an enormous organisation, are clearly inapplicable. For the sake of argument, though, let’s discount the role ZAP played in New Force/the NWP. That still leaves many indisputable pieces of evidence for the group’s fascistic politics – there is, for instance, their obsessive promotion of Gary Allen’s paranoid and anti-semitic tome, as well as their involvement in pro-apartheid campaigns. All this is documented meticulously in Spoonley’s book, which has been around since the late 80s and is regarded as definitive.
May 15, 2006 at 1:27 am
Nice work Asher. Loudon & ALL his associates past and present are scum, whatever formal cults, parties or groups they are or were members of (or not). Don’t hold your breath waiting for him to resign from the ACT position though.
May 16, 2006 at 1:00 am
What strikes me as funny is that he made such an explicit statement: “never been any such links” when it’s so easy to show there were links. What the hell was he thinking? He could have easily said “ZAP are not fascists” a statement that is at least defensible. He should lose his job simply for being so stupid.
I have to admit I also found mr obsessive-compulsive “death knell” pretty funny too. Can’t shut up but doesn’t have the guts to link to any site of his own. And his drawing parallels to the Labor party as justification is hilarious. Hell yes the labor party had communist links. Probably still have hard core commies in their ranks. So what?
May 16, 2006 at 2:32 pm
Those who take an interest in far right cults such as ZAP might find this reather interesting or disturbing….
NZ tax spat to be filmed
13 May 2006
By LIN FERGUSON
The story of a four-year battle against Inland Revenue by prominent South Island property developer Dave Henderson, who was bankrupted in the process, is about to become a movie.
Auckland South Pacific Pictures director John Barnett, acclaimed for movies including Whale Rider, Jubilee, What Becomes of the Broken Hearted, The End of the Golden Weather and more recently Sione’s Wedding, said yesterday the story of Henderson’s fight against the IRD was his next project.
Barnett bought the movie rights to Henderson’s book written in collaboration with ACT leader Rodney Hide, Be Very Afraid: One Man’s Stand Against the IRD, three years ago.
Barnett said he was certain the book would make an excellent film with international appeal.
“Because it has the universal theme of the little man against the big machine, the big bureaucratic machine.”
He did not have a start date yet, he said.
After winning his “nasty” battle against IRD about claims he owed it money, Henderson bought the IRD’s building in Christchurch and renamed it “Henderson House”.
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When the lease came up for renewal at the end of last year he declined it, he said.
“I’m developing a very nice hotel instead.”
He was thrilled the movie was to be made.
He admitted it had been a tortuous time in his life and he would be forever grateful for the support he received from Hide.
Henderson said he was not sure who should play him in the movie but thought Kevin Costner could be good.
Hide said yesterday from an Auckland dance studio, where he was perfecting his rumba for his stint with Dancing with the Stars tomorrow night, that working with Henderson against IRD had been a “great privilege because he’s a wonderful man”.
“What you had was an entire government department out to destroy one man. Dave was never knocked back.
“It was just amazing how he handled each and every assault but Dave simply wasn’t going to take any crap.”
Hide said even though friends and colleagues think his role in the movie should be played by John Clarke or Danny De Vito.
“I would personally go for Bruce Willis”.
Be Very Afraid: One man’s stand against the IRD sold more than 10,000 copies.
The price for the movie rights remains confidential. –Southland Times
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3666341a1860,00.html
May 16, 2006 at 2:44 pm
YudA: wasn’t Henderson an early member of ZAP and a founder of TRiM?
May 17, 2006 at 10:41 am
Yes he was a member of ZAP.
Whats the bet that Henderson, a successful property developer is also financing this movie about his experience?
May 17, 2006 at 6:11 pm
Whig – Scott put it pretty damn well, so I won’t bother repeating myself or him.
I’m not surprised by Loudon’s lack of replying. Looks like when the shoe is on the other foot, he can’t handle the jandal (yay for cliches!)
May 18, 2006 at 2:42 am
Re Henderson & the movie deal. Sounds like lots of $$’s are involved, perhaps its time for IRD, The Serious Fraud Office, The Labour Department & possibly Team America: World Police to take a close look at his business practises (again)
May 18, 2006 at 11:18 am
Will be interesting to see the turnout of this…
May 18, 2006 at 9:08 pm
Yo Asher. Waiting for an apology and a retraction.
May 18, 2006 at 9:46 pm
Old Trev spat the dummy and banned me from his blog after I pointed out the rather obvious anti-semitism in one of the tomes ZAP tried to force down New Zealanders’ throats in the 80s. I’m sure you can make any points that need to be made there Asher.
I have a copy of Spoonley’s book and a bunch of other stuff on the Kiwi far right lying around if you need any references – e mail me and I can scan and send. One area which hasn’t been explored in this discussion is the extensive links between ZAP and the League of Rights, an organisation that was and is blatantly racist and fascist. Spoonley discusses this connection at a couple of points, but it’s also mentioned in the League’s own literature from the 80s, in between denunciations of the anti-apartheid movement and paeans to the government in Pretoria. I notice that the people’s hero Comrade Henderson was involved in the pro-apartheid movement in Chch in the early 80s…
May 18, 2006 at 11:23 pm
What nonsense. I dare you to make this public so we can point and laugh at your little childish finger pointing accusations… ooh he’s a Nazi, ooh ooh. How pathetic. Little wonder this is the rantings from a person who himself advocates a left (and lefter) system in NZ. Mainstream people call people like you nutters.
If you can’t read Trevors responses, which are articulated clearly on his blog then there is no hope for you. Go obsess over something else instead of making up your little conspiracy theories inside that head of yours.
May 18, 2006 at 11:25 pm
Looking through your links on your blogroll and reading the content, who exactly is the “jew hater” here?
May 19, 2006 at 12:12 am
Trevor didn’t try to answer the references I made to the anti-semitic origins of most of the arguments in ‘None Dare Call It Conspiracy’. What he said was that the book couldn’t be anti-semitic, because the author had denied that it was. Well, since the Holocaust most far right groups have denied their anti-semitism. For instance, today both the British National Party and the National Front in France deny being anti-semitic. The BNP even has a Jewish councillor. But anyone who looks at the material of groups like these can see that it is heavily influenced by the classical literature of anti-semitism.
In the same way, the John Birch Society, which was the original publisher of ‘None Dare Call It Conspiracy’, denied being anti-semitic. It talked of ‘a circle of insiders’ who controlled global finance, and included a few token non-Jews, like the Rockefellers, in this cabal. But the arguments that the Society used and the references for those arguments come straight out of classical anti-Semitism. Clint can rant and rave until kingdom come, but he can’t deny that many of sources used in ‘None Dare Call It Conspiracy’ are anti-Semitic. It’s there in black and white. I’ve already mentioned some of these sourcess on Trevor’s blog so I won’t repeat myself here.
Anyone who thinks that Gary Allen’s bigotry was confined to some ghetto of anti-Semitism should consult some of his other books, which are even more demented than ‘None Dare Call It Conspiracy’. Here are a fcoule of quotes from his deathless 1967 work ‘Communist Revolution in the Streets’, which is largely an attack on the black civil rights movement in the US and black people generally:
‘Black nationalism has nothing to do with with nations; it is stritcly the doctrine of Negro racial superiority. Rooted deep within blacks is a passionate, burning hatred of white people’. (pg 3)
‘[R]iots follow Dr Martin Luther King as night follows day. King is the winner of a Nobel ‘peace’ prize, but he is continually at war with the white man’. (pg 55)
These are the words of the author that ZAP spent enormous amounts of time and effort promoting in the 1970s and 80s. Allen is a racist and anti-semite, but there’s nothing to suggest this troubled ZAP members.
May 19, 2006 at 1:14 am
And this is related to Trevor now or in the past how?
May 19, 2006 at 2:47 am
Now and in the past. Trevor continues to be heavily involved with the group that distributed twenty thousand copies of this man’s book to New Zealanders. He continues to defend their politics and the book.
May 19, 2006 at 3:58 am
I’ve yet to see any quote from this book that mentions a Jewish conspiracy. And when presented with the quote from the book where the authors specifically state that the conspiracy IS NOT JEWISH, you turn to some sort of Pythonesque “He denies being the Messiah!” argument. That is clutching at straws. Sorry but you lose.
Nor does any claim that “oh, antisemites have used it to justify their beliefs” hold water either. The collectivist, antisemite Nazi Party of Germany spent a great deal of time quoting individualist, “I am having all antisemites shot” philosopher Friederich Nietzsche, but that doesn’t make him a Nazi either.
Look at what you have been reduced to! Just be a man and admit your scurrilous innuendo is wrong.
May 19, 2006 at 10:45 am
I’m very comfortable being ‘reduced’ to making the same argument as eminent scholars of modern fascism and anti-semitism like Paul Spoonley. I’d be a lot less comfortable defending the fascist loons who are Allen’s sources, and absurd claims that Jewish bankers like Warburg and the Rothschilds financed the Bolshevik revolution and the rise of Hitler. (Perhaps though academics like Spoonley and his peers overseas are all engaged in a scurrillous conspiracy of innuendo against Loudon – the power of ‘the insiders’ who rule the world clearly knows no bounds!)
And yes, Allen does actually slip up ocasionally and admit the anti-semitic sources of his arguments. Here’s a quote from chapter four:
“According to de Goulevitch [raving anti-semitic loon that he was]:
“Mr. Bakhmetiev, the late Russian Imperial Ambassador to the United States, tells us that the Bolsheviks, after victory, transferred 600 million roubles in gold between the years 1918 and 1922 to Kuhn, Loeb & Company [Schiff's firm].”
Schiff’s participation in the Bolshevik Revolution, though quite naturally now denied, was well known among Allied intelligence services at the time. This led to much talk about Bolshevism being a Jewish plot. The result was that the subject of financing the Communist takeover of Russia became taboo. [Well, yes - taboo for everyone except except paranoid anti-semites on the far right like your good self.] …”In the Bolshevik Revolution we have some of the world’s richest and most powerful men financing a movement which claims its very existence is based on the concept of stripping of their wealth men like the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Schiffs, Warburgs, Morgans, Harrimans, and Milners.
But obviously these men have no fear of inter national Communism. It is only logical to assume that if they financed it and do not fear it, it must be because they control it. Can there be any other explanation that makes sense? Remember that for over 150 years it has been standard operating procedure of the Rothschilds and their allies to control both sides of every conflict.”
This is the stuff that ZAP spent the 70s and 80s distributing…
May 19, 2006 at 2:16 pm
Sorry Scott, Whig just served you. Answer the question!
May 19, 2006 at 2:54 pm
Good old Trevor eh?
I will have to dig out my piles of stuff about ZAP and do a profile of him, just like he does to us lefties. only his profile will include so much more.
ZAP cultists standing in cathedral square in their undies, trying to sell me those silly books, those world anti communist league demos Trev used to organise, the brainwashing stories, so much more. they tried to recruit me several times in the 80s and I still recognise most of the even though they are getting wrinkly now.
May 19, 2006 at 4:31 pm
Trevor might be a member of ZAP, ZAP might have links to anti-semitism (or may not) but one thing is undeniably true – ACT are linking on their website to a pretty strange website here:
http://www.act.org.nz/supportergroups.aspx
Check out Carl Peters Online
http://www.carlpetersononline.com/
“illuminati, NWO and the tax conspiracy”
“Click here for some great money making opportunities on the web!”
“NWO Money Rules the World.
These unique experiences have provided a rare perspective of who actually runs the “world”. His Fiji experience provided the real catalyst for his closer look at the world monetary system and the practical mathematics that reveal the diabolical nature of the Federal Reserve Bank and “national” banks everywhere. Under the looking glass of close examination, the thread of all things bad in our world eventually leads back to the same origins: the devastating self-destructive nature of modern taxes, the Illuminati, and the New World Order conspiracy “theory”. The present system is designed to enshrine the banking elite and continue the present “status quo” social layering slavery, and the continued destruction of our natural world. ”
“911, the war on terrorism, and in fact every war of the past 200 years has been orchesrated and set up by this same financial oligarchy.”
“The Banking Conspiracy Pulls the Strings of Our Puppet President”
“”EARTH CHANGES” WEAVES MODERN SCIENTIFIC
EVIDENCE, ANCIENT HISTORY, PSYCHIC PREDICTION
and good clean common sense into an intriguing and impelling
argument to prepare for something really huge in our lifetime.
These aspects come together with a mind-jolting unity!”
Oh boy…..
May 19, 2006 at 9:08 pm
Dear oh dear! Scott continues to add to his string of fallacial arguments!
Firstly you will note that Trevor does not defend the book and calls it outdated, so your reliance on discrediting it as a means to discredit Trevor seems rather pointless. (We all did things when we were younger that we wouldn’t repeat today. Hell I even voted for a Labour Party candidate once)
But even if this were not the case, there’s nothing, other than your parenthesised remarks, even mildly antisemitic about the segment of the book you quote. It mentions a mixture of Jewish and Gentile banking families. And the quote from (gasp!) the antisemite is just an allegation that money was transferred. Are you saying that the allegation is not true *because* de Goulevitch was an antisemite? Well maybe it’s true and maybe it ain’t, but that seems like a pretty illogical reason to dismiss the claim. And just because you quote somebody doesn’t mean you agree with everything they say!
I’m not defending the book at all – from what little I’ve seen of it, it seems like a lot of paranoid nonsense. If you are going to accuse Trevor and ZAP of being rabidly anticommunist, by all means do so. I suspect they would only agree. But if you are going to add all this other nonsense to the mix, you’d better come up with a lot better than what you have done so far. Several degrees of separation between Trevor and a few racists is not going to be enough I am afraid.
Keep trying if you must, Scott, but I suspect we will be here forever hitting your sitters over the boundary fence. I’m going to declare.
May 19, 2006 at 10:29 pm
Jesus, Whig, as well as the Act connection, you sell incest porn over the net? Is this what you mean by free enterprise? You are a sick, sick prick. I hope you die soon in intense agony.
May 20, 2006 at 2:02 am
It’s all part of a worldwide Jewish conspiracy Grant!
May 20, 2006 at 12:45 pm
Is that supposed to be Ironic? By virtue of your associations, the inanity of your own blog, not to mention your photograph, You haven’t earned the right to be considered smart enough to be ironic. So kindly shut the fuck up, till you learn that there’s more to life than hate & murder, ‘cos that’s what you (& Loudon & Henderson) are advocating..
May 20, 2006 at 4:37 pm
Grant, you forgot to mention I rape kittens as well! Don’t forget the kitten rape!
Priceless!
May 22, 2006 at 1:28 am
Oh dear. Grant, you’re a tool. I guess these lefties really do believe everything that they read.
Better not discuss the incestuous Nazi kitten porn either then!
May 22, 2006 at 2:55 am
So the ratboys hang together. C**t I AM a tool, my own tool, operated entirely by my own volition & for my own purposes. I don’t hear either of you moronic thugs DENYING Ratboy#1 sells incest themed porn, exploiting behaviour that destroys thousands of innocent people’s lives every year in NZ & everywhere else, most but not all innocent women, not to mention defending a philosophy and worldview inseperable from incalculable misery and mass murder. So much easier, so much less strain on the (oh so few ) braincells to simply ABUSE anyone who calls you out. Might is right eh? Mind you I LIKE Abusing vicious right wing retards, & I’d be willing to bet I know more & better insults than either of you prats, so I could keep this up as long as you like, but won’t since its off the topic of this thread, & even replying to your foetid swill makes me feel dirty.
May 22, 2006 at 7:23 am
Sorry Grant, but I’ve never defended communism. Try again.
If consenting adults wish to engage in sexual activity with close relatives that’s no business of mine. Literally. Whoever you buy that stuff off, Grant, it’s not me. Ya dirty perve ;o)
May 22, 2006 at 5:58 pm
What was Grant surfing the internet for anyway to find that? Sick little fucker!
You are right though, you are a tool
And wouldn’t know a joke if it was swimming out of your tight girlie ass 
May 23, 2006 at 3:23 pm
re ACT linking to
http://www.carlpetersononline.com/
I don’t understand, I thought ACT were in favour of the IMF
May 23, 2006 at 8:55 pm
anon, I’m embarrassed to be defending the guy, but I can’t find a single reference to the IMF on his page. Of course I may have just missed it. Care to enlighten us?
May 23, 2006 at 10:16 pm
I’m a bit surprised many of you persons can read, given the drivel that exudes from this blog. I’m actually honored at being insulted by such magnificent intellects. In case no one has noticed, our world is self-destructing all around us. And in every way. Our climate is changing and bringing in horrific consequences. Our standard of living is eroding away, with more crime, more social dysfunction, and a widening gap between the rich and the poor. Our international relations are hanging on the verge of a world war. And our personal freedoms are all but gone; gone in the name of “the war on terror” and our own insecure need for security.
I don’t give a rats ass who is responsible. Commies, Jews, Catholics, Capitalists or Nazis. They’ve probably all got their fingers in the big banking pie.
I’m going to invite you all to think for about one minute. Can you handle that?
The money supply grows by about 7.5% per year. Last year, private credit in New Zealand expanded by $19 billion. Every single dollar of that new money was issued by the consortium of registered private banks. Every dollar was issued as interest-bearing debt. Interestingly enough, that is just about what the government pulled in via personal and company income taxes. Now to me, 1+1=2. If those taxes were entirely eliminated, and government itself simply took over the role of issuing its own $19 billion, straight off the printing press so to speak, we would live in a completely different world. There would be no government debt (complete with the present $2.8 billion annual interest cost), and there would be a whole lot less private debt. And interest rates would hover around 1% for those that still needed to borrow. And every citizen of New Zealand would have an extra $8,000 or so with which to chase our personal dreams. We might even feel free. Do you get the drift, yet? We’ve all been suckered for so long that we’ve now got permanent brain damage. We can’t even add 1 plus 1!
As to Trevors “inequities” of the past, who gives a shit? Most of you were probably still experimenting with masturbation way back then.
And, if you’ve got the guts, take another look at http://www.truthaboutax.com .There’s a bit there for everyone, even the hopelessly confused.
Carl Peterson
May 23, 2006 at 11:26 pm
Quotes Carl Peterson’s website: “911 was “set up” by the present US administration, acting as a puppet to the world banking consortium”
This is finance being channelled by L Ron Hubbard. Does Xenu own any volcano thetan banks on Planet Carl?
May 24, 2006 at 5:10 pm
[...] So, my previous post on Trevor Loudon, ACT's vice-president, generated a hell of a lot of comments on this blog. You should at least read the initial post before this one, but reading the comments, Trevor's half-arsed reply and maybe even the feature on Aotearoa Indymedia in order to see where this story is at. [...]
September 14, 2007 at 9:27 pm
Being a Green Syndicalist, I’m hardly the one to describe as fascist nor anti-Semetic, but Carl Peterson is right. All the damage that is being done in the name of capitalism is due to the state mandated monopoly that allows private banks to issue the world’s means of exchange. Well apart from the Calvinistic and social darwinian philosophy that is the basis of the neoliberal economic ideology, which has achieved preeminence over political, economic, and social thought over the last 30 years and the U.S. control of the world’s economy under the Bretton Woods system.
See the quotes and links below.
“In essence, it states that for every $100 of loans, a bank should have at least $8 of capital, of which at least $4 must be permanent equity. Because loans secured over residential property were seen to be less risky than other loans, they only had to have 50% as much capital. Loans to banks from OECD countries were seen to be less risky still, so they only had to have 20% as much capital, and loans to governments denominated in their local currency 0%. There were several other categories and treatment for off-balance-sheet exposures.”
http://www.rbnz.govt.nz/speeches/0104984.html
This quote from the Deputy Governor of the Reserve Bank makes Michael Cullen’s statement that, “In particular banks do not create credit like a Central Bank. When banks make loans they are lending the money creditors have deposited with them.” (D. Kent, pp 45 Healthy Money, Healthy Planet), at best an appalling lack of knowlege regarding a fundamental aspect of his portfolio or he is a baldfaced liar to those he purports to represent.
“Furthermore, I believe that greed and competition are not a result of immutable human temperament; I have come to the conclusion that greed and fear of scarcity are in fact being continuously created and amplified as a direct result of the kind of money we are using.
For example, we can produce more than enough food to feed everybody, and there is definitely enough work for everybody in the world, but there is clearly not enough money to pay for it all. The scarcity is in our national currencies. In fact, the job of central banks is to create and maintain that currency scarcity. The direct consequence is that we have to fight with each other in order to survive.
Money is created when banks lend it into existence (see article by Thomas Greco on page 19). When a bank provides you with a $100,000 mortgage, it creates only the principal, which you spend and which then circulates in the economy. The bank expects you to pay back $200,000 over the next 20 years, but it doesn’t create the second $100,000 – the interest. Instead, the bank sends you out into the tough world to battle against everybody else to bring back the second $100,000.”
http://www.yesmagazine.org/article.asp?ID=886
http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~jboland/lect_12.html
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article2098.html
September 14, 2007 at 10:00 pm
Hi Asher,
It appears that one of my comments has been stuck in your spam filter as it has failed to upload three times already. Could you please upload it? Thanks
September 14, 2007 at 11:07 pm
Done. Sorry!
September 15, 2007 at 11:42 am
Thanks Asher.
No problem. Awesome blog BTW
September 18, 2008 at 11:46 am
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